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This is talk 6, session 1 of 2, on the first day of the The Science Network's Beyond Belief Enlightenment 2.0 conference. An introduction and list of all reviews can be found at BB2: Enlightenment 2.0 Introduction]
David Sloan Wilson is Professor in the Biology and Anthropology Departments at Binghamton University and is known for championing the theory of multilevel selection. His latest book is Evolution for Everyone: How Darwin's Theory Can Change the Way We Think About Our Lives. His theme is exploring the idea of stealth religions, including the "New Atheism"!
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Did you know that the Milgram experiments have been repeated with cameras rolling?
The result was much the same, which suggests to me that the experiments are not so famous as one might hope.
It seems to be standard operating procedure for social psychologists to lie about the experimental set-up to the participants.
Experimenters do this so that subjects' anticipation of the experimenters' true aims will not become a confounding variable.
I think that had subjects in the repeat experiment been familiar with the original experiments, then they would have known that their obedience, and not the supposed training by electric shock, was the point. I suspect that subjects who knew this would choose to look merciful for the cameras.
@arcanum:Did you know that the Milgram experiments have been repeated with cameras rolling?
Yes but isn't this besides the point I am making in this post?
@arcanum:The result was much the same, which suggests to me that the experiments are not so famous as one might hope.
I don't understand this. Because the experiment has been successfully replicated it becomes less famous??
@arcanum:It seems to be standard operating procedure for social psychologists to lie about the experimental set-up to the participants.
Totally agree which is why I disagree with Dennett's "if you are doing espionage, you are not doing science" comment
What Wilson is saying is that atheism (BTW, what exactly is "new" about it?) is really just another form of religion, in that it serves the same purposes as religion...which is very similar to charges made by religious persons who don't understand atheism or nonbelief. Of course Wilson has a right to test his hypothesis that atheism is a "stealth religion," but let's review a few of the differences between nonbelief and belief: 1. The nonreligious do not *worship* science, although they may hold scientific method and objective knowledge in high regard. 2. The nonreligious do not have to rely on *belief* in science, as reliable and verifiable evidence unfolds constantly. 3. Scientific methodology is followed for rational purposes, not *ritualistic* purposes (i.e. to comfort or hold to tradition). 4. Believers often claim to have a personal relationship with their deity. Nonbelievers do not *personalize* science or objective knowledge. 5. The standard practices of science are uniform across geography and culture, but the practice of religion is affected by geography and culture. 6. Nonbelievers do not endow science with *supernatural* attributes. 7. Nonbelievers do not *mythologize* the history of science.
There are probably other fundamental distinctions I have forgotten to mention, but it seems obvious to me that the absence of religion is not in itself yet another form of religion. Wilson's idea that atheism is a "stealth religion" doesn't hold up. And I have read he criticizes the utility of science because it "is incapable of delivering the practical directives we crave" (Psychology Today, Jan/Feb 2008), which is ironic, considering his repeated criticism of comparing apples to oranges. Since when do nonbelievers look to science for directives? If you wanted to adopt some external authority's directives you'd subscribe to a religion!
Bottom line: While Wilson has some interesting ideas they seem to contribute to current mischaracterizations of atheism and nonbelief. I think his work may be overrated.
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There is not much to disagree with in what you say but I was focused on Wilson's specific claim namely the evolutionary benefits of practical realism over factual realism. His questionable definition of a religion is based on that and not the points that you made. Now I say until he can provide clear evidence of where practical realism does less harm than factual realism there is no overall evolutionary benefit and his argument fails.
He has not done so to date and I am requesting that he does. I believe that this is theoretically possible and so would not be surprised if he does provide positive evidence. However it will be far more restricted and so limit his claims in a way he has not done to date.
Hence my point is not fatal to his claims, just weakens them even as he were to reply to them with positive evidence. Regardless I would still dispute that this defines a "religion" and argue that he is playing a rhetorical game.
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